The three most common hiring mistakes are moving too fast, underpaying, and bringing on a high-skill but low-collaboration person who poisons team culture. Lia walks through each mistake with real examples and shares how slowing down, paying fairly, and enforcing a no-jerk rule are your best protection against costly turnover. This episode is essential for founders, team leads, and new managers who have ever felt the pressure to fill a seat fast.
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Mic drop moments
“There’s really very few activities that are more expensive and more costly than high attrition, right? High turnover.”
“…all that knowledge and that time we spent onboarding and ramping that person up and teaching the business and the direction and the products and whatever, we’re losing that.”
“…knowing what does it mean to be a great team member or great member of your company is going to be so critical because it is going to save you from all of those misunderstandings that happen down the line.”
Episode highlights
Why most hiring processes skip the most important step
Writing a job description feels productive, but Lia argues it misses the point. Most owners list tasks and responsibilities without ever stopping to answer the more important question: what actually makes someone a great fit on this specific team? That gap is where expensive hiring mistakes are born.
The criteria matrix: behaviors, skills, and non-negotiables
Before a single interview is scheduled, Lia recommends mapping out two layers of criteria. The first layer is behavioral, things like working without constant direction, strong communication, or the ability to find clarity in a messy situation. The second layer is skills-based. Once both layers are written down, rank them. Not every candidate will hit every item, but you now have a hierarchy to evaluate against rather than a gut feeling to chase.
High turnover is the most expensive line item you are not tracking
Lia is direct about the math. Recruiting, interviewing, hiring, ramping someone up, and then watching them leave takes a toll that goes far beyond the obvious. The knowledge that person built about your products, your clients, and your processes walks out the door with them. Defining criteria upfront reduces the chance of a mismatch that leads to that cycle repeating.
Criteria makes hiring more equitable, not just more efficient
One underappreciated benefit of a hiring matrix is what it does for fairness. When you preset what you are looking for and ask every candidate the same questions, you stop rewarding whoever you happened to click with on a given day. Lia points out that diversity builds better teams, and a consistent criteria framework is one of the most practical tools for getting there.
Hire for six to twelve months from now, not just today
A role that looks clearly defined today may look very different in a year. If the business shifts and a team member has always needed explicit direction to function, that person may suddenly stop being a fit through no fault of their own. Lia recommends factoring in where the company is going, not just where it is, when deciding which qualities are truly non-negotiable.
Industry-specific examples: PR agencies, gyms, and client-facing teams
Lia brings this to life with two concrete examples. In fast-moving industries like PR or events, the ability to roll up your sleeves at the last minute is a real non-negotiable, and it needs to be surfaced in the interview, not discovered after the hire. For client-facing roles in businesses like spas or gyms, Lia notes that every team member has a role in growing the business. If a candidate cannot see themselves discussing rebooking or memberships, that is valuable information to have before day one, not six months in.
The cost of hiring fast without a filter
Rushing a hire because you need someone starting tomorrow usually ends up costing more time than a careful search would have. A poor-fit team member drags down team energy, is not set up to succeed, and pushes you right back into a recruiting process you were trying to avoid. The criteria work is not a massive undertaking. It is a one-time investment that compounds every time you use it.
Related episodes in this cluster
- Ep 235: Why your new hire is not working out (and how to fix it before it costs you). When a new hire is not working out, it is almost never a people problem. It is a process problem caused by two gaps: an interview that skips values and expectations, and an onboarding that skips knowledge transfer. Lia walks through both gaps with a real example from Google and gives you the fixes to de-risk your next senior hire.
- Ep 219: Did you make a bad hire? How to know and what to do next. Most ‘bad hire’ situations are actually bad onboarding or missing feedback situations. Lia walks through a 30/60/90-day check-in framework that helps you assess a new team member clearly, without panic or dragging it out too long. This episode is especially useful for founders and small team leaders who are second-guessing a recent hire.
- Ep 191: The two onboarding mistakes that kill a new hire’s excitement before week one is over. Most onboarding failures come down to two problems: new hires left with nothing to do and no direction, or new hires who charge in too hard and alienate the team. Both happen because the leader never set clear expectations before day one. This episode walks through exactly what to fix, with Lia’s own story of a disastrous first day as the centerpiece.
- Ep 190: Three hiring mistakes that wreck your team (and what to do instead). The three most common hiring mistakes are moving too fast, underpaying, and bringing on a high-skill but low-collaboration person who poisons team culture. Lia walks through each mistake with real examples and shares how slowing down, paying fairly, and enforcing a no-jerk rule are your best protection against costly turnover. This episode is essential for founders, team leads, and new managers who have ever felt the pressure to fill a seat fast.
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One of the most, most, most, most, most expensive thing is having to start that recruiting process all over again to be recruiting, interviewing, hiring, ramping someone up. Okay. There’s really very few activities that are more expensive and more costly than high attrition, right? High turnover. That is what costs so much money because we not only lose our time and whoever on our team members time of looking for people and interviewing people that all takes time, but this ramp up folks not being fully up to speed, that’s another amount of time that we’re not having folks operate at full capacity.
Welcome to the managing mid simple podcast. I’m Lia Garvin, your host and team operations consultant through this show and my signature ops playbook. I condense a decade of experience driving team operations in some of the most influential companies in tech. to save you time, money, and stress. It doesn’t matter if you’re a business owner who realized that running a team isn’t as easy as you thought it would be. Are a new manager looking to learn the ropes or are a seasoned manager ready to up their game?
Everyone is welcome to hang out with Managing Made Simple. From conflicts to feedback to delegating and more, we leave no stone unturned when it comes to what makes us love managing, kind of hate it, and everything in between. Let’s go. Entrepreneurs and business owners listening right now, we all started with big dreams, right? Freedom, impact, bringing our visions to life. But there’s a twist many of us didn’t see coming. That managing a team is the hardest thing about running a business.
And the words, because I said so, doesn’t work with children or our employees. Drawing on my team operations experience in big tech and with business owners, I realized we often complicate how work gets done more than we need to. That’s why I wrote The Unstoppable Team. It’s a playbook for easing the complexities of team management, showing you the how behind the what and why of your vision. This book’s about finding relief amid the chaos, injecting simplicity into tackling hard problems, and turning your team members into profit generating machines, all without burning you or them out.
Kind of nice, right? So if you are ready to make this whole managing thing easier while scaling your business, head to Liagarvin. com slash the book or amazon. com and get your copy of The Unstoppable Team. Welcome back to the show. When it comes to hiring team members, this can be one of the most high stakes, stressful things that we can do as a leader or business owner. And today I wanted to share the number one thing that you can do to save time and money when you’re first hiring.
Finding yourself in the hiring process. And what is that number one thing? It is to think about upfront before you even start hiring, what is the criteria that you need? That’s going to make this person a great fit. Now, this might sound obvious, but we don’t always do it. In fact, I think the team that I’ve worked with and worked on, we rarely do it. Okay. We write up a job description. Maybe we figure out some of the roles and responsibilities that we need, some of the key activities they’ll be doing, but we don’t always stop and think what will make this person a fit.
Now, not only will this save you time and money, this is going to make a way more equitable process. So this reduces that bias that comes in when we’d really click with someone and we want them to work on a team because they work just like us, or they remind us of ourselves, or we have too many folks that come from the same background or work the same way or think the same way. Right. We all know that diversity builds better results, builds better teams.
And so this is another way that by thinking, what are the criteria that makes someone a great fit on our team, that we create a high performing team. Okay. Now, when I say we want to think about what are the criteria, this means for a range of, you know, those behavioral things. So someone, you know, that they’re a great listener, they’re a strong communicator, they work without a ton of direction, right? All the way down to what are some of those key skills that you need.
And when we do this, we map it out upfront. We can sort of create a matrix for ourselves where we, where we figure out, well, what is the hierarchy? That’s important of these different things, because maybe someone doesn’t have all of them. But again, from the equity standpoint, we can determine with full certainty, yes, I evaluated everybody on the same things. And I know when someone joins my team, I’ve done my due diligence to make sure they’re really that fit that I didn’t later realize, well, gosh, I, I kind of thought being a self starter was not, not that important on the list because we had a lot of clearly defined projects.
But then six months from now things change and there’s not as much definition. And I hired someone that is just kind of waiting around for somebody to give them the direction. Now I realize that person’s not a fit. And so when we hire, we want to hire not just for today or this whole that you have, but, but six to 12 months down the line. And we don’t always know what that’s going to look like from the workload perspective.
So that’s where we have to think about like, what are their criteria is then from a team values perspective and the behaviors that make someone the right kind of person. Now, where does this save you time and money? Well, one of the most, most, most, most, most expensive thing is having to. Start that recruiting process all over again to be recruiting, interviewing, hiring, ramping someone up. Okay. There’s really very few activities that are more expensive and more costly than high attrition, right?
High turnover. That is what costs so much money because we not only lose our time and whoever on our team members time of looking for people and interviewing people that all takes time, but this ramp up folks not being fully up to speed. That’s another amount of time that we’re not having folks operate at full capacity. Now, if we have high turnover because we’ve spent all that time and we’ve trained someone and they’re end up not really being a fit because they didn’t withstand sort of the growth and direction of our company, or we didn’t realize, yeah, we had some non negotiables that we hadn’t really factored in.
Now, all that knowledge and that time we spent onboarding and ramping that person up and teaching the business and the direction and the products and whatever, we’re losing that. That’s walking out the door. So this gets expensive and saving time and money here is not a massive undertaking. All I’m really saying is starting by thinking about what makes someone a great employee in this company. And again, you’re going to think about, you know, what are your team values?
You’re going to think about what are those behaviors. Both really concrete and sort of in sort of the intangibles thinking about, well, what are those folks that have really, really stood out and, and become those 10 Xers and a players on your team. If you don’t have any at the moment, think about what, what would you wish? What do you wish so much that folks would be doing proactively? You know, is it some aspect of that, you know, where they just pick up and run with something?
Like I said, is it that they can look at some complicated situation and just see clarity right away? And you’re not going to want every single person to have those different skills, but you have a general set of people in this team and this company have to have some of these qualities. Now, this is not the same as saying everyone is, you know, has the same personality. No, we’re talking about if we have to have folks that are thinking outside the box.
If we, we know we’re going to be working, you know, burning the midnight oil and working like a lot. So example, I work with some PR agencies or folks in the marketing space. That is the kind of company, the kind of industry. That there’s going to be events, last minute stuff, and we really need all of our team members to be in that headspace of, we roll up our sleeves and we just get it done. We understand that this is high stakes environment, you know, client events, whatever it looks like, these things, the show must go on, they have to happen.
And so that’s an example of a criteria that we really want to establish up front. That when we talk about an interview, like, Hey, are we able to be here? And put in that extra work knowing that we’re going to be paid fairly for it. We’ll get comp time, whatever it is after. But are we going to have a team member that’s like, yes, I get it. I believe in that. I understand the nature of the work, you know, same thing with if folks have to be, you know, the same thing now with folks that are working in any sort of client interaction space.
One thing that I’ve been working a lot with clients on in this, in this situation is teaching every team member about their role in the sales process. Now with Medspot clients or, or folks that run a gym or something like that, this can be a tough one. You know, you have your receptionist, you have a service provider, maybe they don’t feel that comfortable, you know, talking about rebooking or retail products that really pair with the service they got or signing up for another membership.
And that team member thinks, well, I don’t do sales. That’s not part of the job. Actually, if we’ve defined, Hey, the expectation of everybody that works here is that we’re all collectively working to grow the business, which in the office framework, I strongly suggest that we always show our team members, their role in growing the business. So it’s not just your responsibility as the business owner. Once we’ve made that clear. Now, when we’re hiring, this becomes a non negotiable that everyone understands that they will have a role in growing the business.
And we’re going to define what that is and we’re going to help them get there. But that we don’t just have some people think I’m just here for the ride. I’m just completing a task and like I get paid either way. Okay. That’s not the vibe that’s going to help take your business to the next level. But again, that is a piece of criteria of saying, Hey, we want everyone that comes into this team and this company to see that they have a role in this.
And if someone says, Hey, listen, I’m really, I’m never going to be able to do that. I’m not going to be able to talk about renewing memberships or pricing or things like that. It’s just not me. That might be an example of someone that’s not a fit or a fit for that specific role that you have. You see what I’m saying? And so knowing. What does it mean to be a great team member or great member of your company is going to be so critical because it is going to save you from all of those misunderstandings that happen down the line.
And again, it’s going to make for an equitable process because you’re going to make sure to ask all of your candidates from all different backgrounds and areas of expertise and industries and whatever they come from so that you have a really diverse and well rounded candidate pool, you’re going to make sure to ask those folks the same kind of questions. And you’ve preset it so that you’re not biasing yourself into, Oh, I had a really great conversation with this person.
And so I’m going with that without evaluating what other folks might offer. Okay. So this is really what helps you step away from some of those rush hiring decisions or feeling like I just need someone right now. And then against your best judgment, and they actually didn’t need all this criteria. Okay. Because again, with hiring and rehiring and onboarding folks being so expensive, if we hire someone quickly and we haven’t thought about these things and they end up not being a great fit, even though in that moment you felt like you needed somebody so bad to be starting the next day.
We end up losing that time anyway, because they’re not a fit. It either kind of drags down the vibe of the team. They’re not really set up for success in their role. They’re not happy. You’re not happy. And you have to start the process again. So this one thing really figuring out what does it mean to be a great team member for your specific company, your industry, your team, this is going to be game changing for saving you time and money as you hire, see you next time.
That’s all I have for today. Thank you so much for tuning in to the managing made simple podcast, where my goal is to demystify the job of people management so that together we can make the workplace somewhere everyone can thrive with that said, let’s spread the word. If you love this episode, please pass it along to someone who might benefit from it. See you next time.
Questions this episode answers
What is the number one thing I can do to save time and money when hiring a new team member?
Before you post a job or interview anyone, define the criteria that make someone a great fit for your specific team and company. This means thinking through both the concrete skills you need and the behaviors and values that matter, like whether someone works independently, handles ambiguity well, or understands their role in growing the business. Mapping this out upfront keeps you from making a rushed hire who looks good in the moment but turns out to be a poor fit six months later, forcing you to restart the entire recruiting and onboarding process.
Why is employee turnover so expensive for small business owners?
Every time someone leaves, you lose the time you and your team spent recruiting, interviewing, and onboarding that person. You also lose the knowledge they built about your business, products, and direction, and that just walks out the door. On top of that, a new hire is not operating at full capacity while they ramp up, which costs you even more. High turnover is one of the most expensive things a business can experience, and most of it is avoidable by hiring more carefully from the start.
How do I avoid bias when interviewing job candidates?
Set your hiring criteria before you meet any candidates so you are evaluating everyone against the same list, not just going with whoever you clicked with in conversation. When you predefine what skills and behaviors matter for the role, you make sure candidates from all different backgrounds get asked the same questions. This reduces the tendency to favor someone who reminds you of yourself or who simply had great conversational chemistry with you, and it helps you build a more diverse, well-rounded team.
Should I hire for the job I need filled today or for what my business will need in the future?
Both matter, but you have to think beyond the immediate hole you are filling. Workloads change, projects evolve, and six to twelve months from now your team needs may look very different. That is why it is important to define not just the tasks someone will do today, but the behaviors and values they need to carry the company forward. Hiring someone who needs constant direction might be fine now, but if your business grows into less structured work, that person will struggle, and you will be back to hiring again.
How do I know what criteria to include when building a hiring checklist for my business?
Start by looking at the people who have performed best on your team and ask what they had in common. Then think about the non-negotiables specific to your industry. For example, in PR or events, every team member needs to be comfortable with last-minute high-stakes demands. In a client-facing business like a gym or spa, everyone needs to understand their role in retaining and growing the client base. Write down both the concrete skills and the intangible behaviors, then rank them so you know what you can flex on and what is truly non-negotiable.